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Collectives are saying that they give free medicine to Cancer patients or the terminaaly ill. Yet when approached for the "Free" medicine, they are either out of it are they are giving inferior grade product. Are there any regulations on the Free Medicine?
Collectives are saying that they give free medicine to Cancer patients or the terminaaly ill. Yet when approached for the "Free" medicine, they are either out of it are they are giving inferior grade product. Are there any regulations on the Free Medicine?
There is no requirement for giving away medicine. Places do it out of heart. Plus not all collectives are in a fiscal place that they can afford to give medicine to every patient. They wouldn't be able to survive. Makes sense to me.
Also you might look into finding a small patient collective for much lower cost medication.
Quite a few collectives who grow their own medicine do have special deals and/or free meds for the very seriously or terminally ill and/or impoverished members.
But . . . it has also been my personal experience that some patients claim to be terminally or seriously ill, but can't provide valid medical documentation of condition.
In San Diego last August a friend and I followed a patient, by chance, into a club where he claimed he had polycystic kidney disease and that he was on an organ list for a kidney transplant. He had just moved to CA and he got sick and he was just released from the hospital. He was struggling to pay his doctor bills and couldn't afford any cannabis. "I'm suffering, man."
He got a free 1/8th of their best stuff and a few capsules of cannaoil.
He walked right out, bag in hand, to another club down the street where he claimed to be on a liver organ list for sclerosis of the liver and end stage HepC.
They give him a free 1/2 oz.
His storyline was very convincing, except that we had seen both versions within a half an hour.
He had some really, really bad copies of 4 to 10 year old medical documentation, from out of state doctors, that looked rather obviously cut and pasted = like, on a copy machine.
He had a whole speal all about his end of life adventure and life-long dream of moving to CA to get MMJ to ease his suffering.
He had an CA ID with a hole punched in it that had expired in 2001. . . he openly admitted the fact that the photo did not appear to be him, with "that was before I got sick," and both clubs accepted it without even questioning him about it.
He ran across the busy street, jumped into a brand new Lexus and sped off. . .
Quite a few collectives who grow their own medicine do have special deals and/or free meds for the very seriously or terminally ill and/or impoverished members.
But . . . it has also been my personal experience that some patients claim to be terminally or seriously ill, but can't provide valid medical documentation of condition.
In San Diego last August a friend and I followed a patient, by chance, into a club where he claimed he had polycystic kidney disease and that he was on an organ list for a kidney transplant. He had just moved to CA and he got sick and he was just released from the hospital. He was struggling to pay his doctor bills and couldn't afford any cannabis. "I'm suffering, man."
He got a free 1/8th of their best stuff and a few capsules of cannaoil.He walked right out, bag in hand, to another club down the street where he claimed to be on a liver organ list for sclerosis of the liver and end stage HepC.
They give him a free 1/2 oz.His storyline was very convincing, except that we had seen both versions within a half an hour.
He had some really, really bad copies of 4 to 10 year old medical documentation, from out of state doctors, that looked rather obviously cut and pasted = like, on a copy machine.
He had a whole speal all about his end of life adventure and life-long dream of moving to CA to get MMJ to ease his suffering.
He had an CA ID with a hole punched in it that had expired in 2001. . . he openly admitted the fact that the photo did not appear to be him, with "that was before I got sick," and both clubs accepted it without even questioning him about it.He ran across the busy street, jumped into a brand new Lexus and sped off. . .
Case and point for why those who have given free bees in the past likely wont be trusting in the future and the truely sick patients will ultimately suffer for these dirtbags.
I would have been VERY happy to get involved at the second dispensery and ask this moron in front of the dispensery staff "so which is it? do you have X or Z, because 10min ago you had a whole different story at the other place that gave you free bees"
And I generally dont call anyone out in the flesh. I would have slam dunked this guy and felt really good and justified about having done just that. There is no chance I could or would have simply watched and allowed it to happen. Of course I am not saying anyone else should do as much, thats just how I personally operate.
The dirtbags in this movement need to be exposed not allowed to bold faced lie & steal from those who truely need this medicine.
It's hard to distinguish those wanting a hand out from those needing a hand up.
A face to face confrontation was not among our choices.
We informed the clerks at the second club of exactly what we had seen/heard/witnessed as we all watched the guy dash across the street.
He had acted as though he was in terrible pain and could hardly move just seconds before.
They made notes on the paperwork he had completed and said they would '86' him next time and tell him why.
They said they would call the other club and tell them too, as it was run by a cousin or something.
As 'causal observers', we suggested that they should NEVER have accepted the paperwork this patient presented.
Then they handed it over to us, asking us to point out what was wrong with it.
We all looked it over together, and we pointed out the blatant reasons for suspicion.
Apparently they had never seen any valid medical records.
They got the idea that he could have been an undercover agent, which really scared them.
We explained that undercover LEO's/reporters would most likely have produced valid, verifiable documentation.
Yes, this man's action hurt the chances of the next person who comes in with a valid need.
It's hard to distinguish those wanting a hand out from those needing a hand up.
Maybe somewhere someday that is in fact the case.
But did you read what was written, the specifics & facts; and still find this particular case 'hard to distinguish'?
Seems as easy to see the truth as it could possible be if you simply read.
A face to face confrontation was not among our choices.
We informed the clerks at the second club of exactly what we had seen/heard/witnessed as we all watched the guy dash across the street.
He had acted as though he was in terrible pain and could hardly move just seconds before.They made notes on the paperwork he had completed and said they would '86' him next time and tell him why.
They said they would call the other club and tell them too, as it was run by a cousin or something.
As 'causal observers', we suggested that they should NEVER have accepted the paperwork this patient presented.
Then they handed it over to us, asking us to point out what was wrong with it.
We all looked it over together, and we pointed out the blatant reasons for suspicion.
Apparently they had never seen any valid medical records.They got the idea that he could have been an undercover agent, which really scared them.
We explained that undercover LEO's/reporters would most likely have produced valid, verifiable documentation.Yes, this man's action hurt the chances of the next person who comes in with a valid need.
Bravo Linda for shinning the bright truth light on this dirtbag theif.
Doing the right thing in this case IMO was absolutely paramount even if the next legit cancer patient is required to get verified, before getting any help. If anyone is able & willing to help them at all.
Truth be told I personally have medical records that were faxed and some just poorly photocoied by my own DR, that look really bad! I might even think they were suspect myself if I didnt know they were legit. Especially true for long term illness and people with multiple providers the records all look very different. Some not even typed, still in the really great (not) and legible DR's own handwritting (I can hardly read them at all) that never were transcribed.
Verification from the treating physician directly is the only reasonable way to be sure patients are legit me thinks. Sure it takes time, but anyone can get access to medical records that are not theirs with enough persistence.
Would not be surprised if legit patients sell or provide records to allow others into the program who would not otherwise qualify.
There is not a easy solution except to be thorough.
jeanne71366 wrote:It's hard to distinguish those wanting a hand out from those needing a hand up.
Maybe somewhere someday that is in fact the case.
But did you read what was written, the specifics & facts; and still find this particular case 'hard to distinguish'?
Seems as easy to see the truth as it could possible be if you simply read.
Simply a generalization on what folks at collectives deal with everyday. I did read what was written, and did not find this case hard to distinguish.
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