Topic: Medical Board Revokes Dr. Hany Assad's License effective Nov 23, 2009

The California Medical Board has revoked the Medical License of Dr. Hany Assad, in a decision dated October 23, 2009.

As of November 23, 2009, at 5 p.m., Dr. Assad will no longer be a licensed physician.

You can search for the PDF decision on the California Medical Board's website via the "Enforcement Public Documents Search"

I've posted the PDF at medpotcrisis.com, and you can read the PDF on the page:

CA Medical Board Revokes the license of Dr. Hany Assad -  medpotcrisis.com/hanyassad.html

or download the PDF directly from:

http://medpotcrisis.com/2009.10.23-Hany … evoked.pdf

of particular note, the Medical Board said:

"Respondent reached the conclusion that marijuana would be an effective mediation for SW [patient] without following the well-settled standards for licensed physicians. The overall impression is of a  cursory office visit. Accordingly, there is no reasonable basis upon which to base a belief that he will conform to the standard of practice in the future. Patient safety is at risk by his continued practice and the public interest requires that his certificate be revoked." - California Medical Board"

If you have any questions of what the Medical Board means by the well-settled standards, please see:

What is an appropriate standard of care for Physicians who recommend Medical Marijuana for their patients - medpotcrisis.com/docs/practicestandards.html

for a one-stop summary of the appropriate standard of care for physicians that recommend Medical Marijuana - this page links to all of the documents that make up this standard, including the Medical Board's basic guidelines, the CMA (California Medical Association)'s Guidelines, the Mikuriya Case (which the Medical Board adopted as precedent at their June 2007 meeting), and some other relevant information - the Conant Decision, information about the illegal practice of medicine, and more.

If you are a current patient of Dr. Assad, be aware that your physician's statement recommending medical marijuana will be invalid as of November 23, 2009. It would be advisable to secure a new physician (and this time, perhaps you might want to consider a legitimate doctor?!?) as soon as possible.

Re: Medical Board Revokes Dr. Hany Assad's License effective Nov 23, 2009

Thank you for posting this.

If Dr Assad's issued a recommendation in Dec 2008 or Jan 2009 it would still be considered invalid even if he was in good standing with the medical board at the time he issued it?  I ask this because the doctor at Medicann that issued my recommendation had his license suspended after he issued my rec, but I was told since he was in good standing at the time of issuance my rec was still valid.  I insisted on a new rec from a doctor who had never had his license suspended.  Anyway, this is important to know for many patients who have seen doctor Assad and the many collectives that have to verify patients.  Thanks again for your posting.

Re: Medical Board Revokes Dr. Hany Assad's License effective Nov 23, 2009

ASA?? any official suggestions for the male patients who have Assad Recs??
Recourse for those who are now not valid patients as of Nov 23 rd?
What about State MMP cards?

I am only one, but still I am one! I cannot do everything, but I can do something.

Re: Medical Board Revokes Dr. Hany Assad's License effective Nov 23, 2009

jeanne71366 wrote:

If Dr Assad's issued a recommendation in Dec 2008 or Jan 2009 it would still be considered invalid even if he was in good standing with the medical board at the time he issued it?  I ask this because the doctor at Medicann that issued my recommendation had his license suspended after he issued my rec, but I was told since he was in good standing at the time of issuance my rec was still valid.  I insisted on a new rec from a doctor who had never had his license suspended.

To answer your question, I'm going to quote a post on another forum that directly addresses this topic:

Weedtracker: My Docs Med License Revoked
This one is easy.... The physician who signed your "doctor's letter" aka "physician's recommendation" must be a physician "in good standing" with a valid not suspended physician's license. If your doctor's license got revoked, your letter is no good in court. Get a new physician's letter, NOW. Do not wait for a replacement physician at the old address. Get a new doctor NOW if you plan to keep smoking legally. Your current recommendation has become worthless.

Charles L. "Chuck" Lindner
Attorney at Law
Santa Monica
cllindner@yahoo.com

and

LindaAnne wrote:

ASA?? any official suggestions for the male patients who have Assad Recs??
Recourse for those who are now not valid patients as of Nov 23 rd?
What about State MMP cards?

  • There's no difference whether the patient is male or female, they're all invalid.

  • As far as recourse... you could perhaps request a refund from Norcal Healthcare/Hany Assad, but I don't think that's likely. IF a doctor were to step in and take over Assad's practice, they might offer a discount for former patients—HOWEVER—given that Hany didn't follow the basic Med Board guidelines and didn't keep the kinds of medical records really needed (if he kept anything at all, beyond the money), purchasing his medical practice would not be a wise investment for any legitimate doctor. Hany's former patients would be clamoring for a discount/free 'renewal,' but in order to do things legitimately, the new doctor would need to do all of the work that was never done—real medical exam, collecting/consulting with the original treating physician for documentation, etc.  - all that either at a cut-rate discount or free.

  • As far as the State MPP cards go, I hope dispensaries take this as a clue that the State Cards are NOT a valid indicator of whether or not a patient is currently legal for Medical Marijuana (they simply imply that the holder had a Doctor's Recommendation for MMJ when they went to apply for the State Card, as the state cards are issued for one year from the date of application, regardless of what the Dr.'s Recommendation says). 

    So while a patient of Hany Assad might have a State MPP Card with dates that might appear to be current, because their recommendation for medical marijuana is no longer valid, they are no longer legal for medical marijuana. The State Card (or any card) is not what makes you legal—the Doctor's Recommendation of MMJ is.

I know that a lot of people that "get legal" via the script mill operations, the shady doctors, the places that don't comply with the Med Board Guidelines -and then go and get the State ID Card so that they can show that instead of their Recommendation from their Doctor - in a way, 'whitewashing' or making their recommendation 'official.'  They know that a Assad rec was already of questionable veracity in the eyes of the legitimate world, just like the kids know that their Medicann rec will get laughed at by law enforcement...

it's no secret to anyone - law enforcement, the good dispensaries & clubs, the legal system (judges, DA's, etc), the general public, and the real doctors - what kind of quality (or lack thereof) the crap docs crank out - I've lost count of how many docs Medicann has gone through (though it's hard to forget Dr. Richardson, the one with the foot fetish who probably did the first hands-on exam in Medicann history!), and yet Talleyrand keeps his license and all his millions. Then there's Alfonso Jimenez, who lost his license, and didn't even get probation! the do-it-yourself defense crowd gets probation! Jimenez even had Bruce Margolin and the not-so-expert David Bearman working on his case!, Gillespie of Green Relief, Sterner of San Diego, and we could go on and on.

Would it really be terribly hard for these so-called 'doctors' to actually just COMPLY with the extremely basic Med Board Guidelines?

Re: Medical Board Revokes Dr. Hany Assad's License effective Nov 23, 2009

First thing tomorrow I will be on the phone to doctor's in my area, (Sacramento), and going through files to find Dr Assad's patients.  I will inform our area docs of the situation and ask them to see these patients for free and issue a rec, with proper medical records of course, for the remainder of the Assad rec.  We have some great, caring, doctors in our area.  The worst they can say is no, right?  This doesn't fall under aiding and abedding does it?  I'd love to hear thoughts on this before I start.

Re: Medical Board Revokes Dr. Hany Assad's License effective Nov 23, 2009

LindaAnne wrote:

ASA?? any official suggestions for the male patients who have Assad Recs??

I've asked it this way because Assad has been able to see ONLY male patients since around 2006.
Check the CA Medical Board info regarding his restrictions that were in place long before this recent issue/revocation.
It's unavailable right now, "The License Lookup System is currently unavailable. Due to scheduled maintenance, the system is unavailable daily from 3:00 A.M. (PST) to 5:30 A.M. (PST) and from Sunday night at 8:45 P.M.(PST) to Monday morning at 6:30 A.M.(PST)."

I am only one, but still I am one! I cannot do everything, but I can do something.

Re: Medical Board Revokes Dr. Hany Assad's License effective Nov 23, 2009

View online or download, direct link if you don't want to use the MedBoard search:

http://drop.io/u471f8y/asset/hany-assad-md-pdf

BTW, not an ad but I've been using this free service for anonymously hosting files as it's super easy to use. drop.io

Cannabis. It's not my lifestyle..... it's my lifesaver

"This is about the quality of life. We all have better things to do than this legal jousting," he said. "It makes no sense to play political football with people's lives." - Ed Reyes, LA City Councilman

Re: Medical Board Revokes Dr. Hany Assad's License effective Nov 23, 2009

Dr Assad has nothing to do with MediCann.
He is operating as NorCAL Healthcard.

I am only one, but still I am one! I cannot do everything, but I can do something.

Re: Medical Board Revokes Dr. Hany Assad's License effective Nov 23, 2009

LindaAnne wrote:

Dr Assad has nothing to do with MediCann.
He is operating as NorCAL Healthcard.



Yes I think everyone knows that. I was just pointing out Medpotcrisis point that rec mills like Medicann are still operating when it is well know that they do not follow the guidelines set out by the medical board. They hire foot fetish freaks and child molesters. What a great company Medicann is thats all I was saying smile

Last edited by MynamewasEarl (2009-10-27 14:13:17)

Re: Medical Board Revokes Dr. Hany Assad's License effective Nov 23, 2009

MynamewasEarl wrote:
LindaAnne wrote:

Dr Assad has nothing to do with MediCann.
He is operating as NorCAL Healthcard.



Yes I think everyone knows that. I was just pointing out Medpotcrisis point that rec mills like Medicann are still operating when it is well know that they do not follow the guidelines set out by the medical board. They hire foot fetish freaks and child molesters. What a great company Medicann is thats all I was saying smile

Could you explain what you mean by rec mill? If you call Medicann and ask them for what you would need for a rec they will tell you to bring your med history..

Re: Medical Board Revokes Dr. Hany Assad's License effective Nov 23, 2009

medpotcrisis wrote:
jeanne71366 wrote:

If Dr Assad's issued a recommendation in Dec 2008 or Jan 2009 it would still be considered invalid even if he was in good standing with the medical board at the time he issued it?  I ask this because the doctor at Medicann that issued my recommendation had his license suspended after he issued my rec, but I was told since he was in good standing at the time of issuance my rec was still valid.  I insisted on a new rec from a doctor who had never had his license suspended.

To answer your question, I'm going to quote a post on another forum that directly addresses this topic:

Weedtracker: My Docs Med License Revoked
This one is easy.... The physician who signed your "doctor's letter" aka "physician's recommendation" must be a physician "in good standing" with a valid not suspended physician's license. If your doctor's license got revoked, your letter is no good in court. Get a new physician's letter, NOW. Do not wait for a replacement physician at the old address. Get a new doctor NOW if you plan to keep smoking legally. Your current recommendation has become worthless.

Charles L. "Chuck" Lindner
Attorney at Law
Santa Monica
cllindner@yahoo.com

and

LindaAnne wrote:

ASA?? any official suggestions for the male patients who have Assad Recs??
Recourse for those who are now not valid patients as of Nov 23 rd?
What about State MMP cards?

  • There's no difference whether the patient is male or female, they're all invalid.

  • As far as recourse... you could perhaps request a refund from Norcal Healthcare/Hany Assad, but I don't think that's likely. IF a doctor were to step in and take over Assad's practice, they might offer a discount for former patients—HOWEVER—given that Hany didn't follow the basic Med Board guidelines and didn't keep the kinds of medical records really needed (if he kept anything at all, beyond the money), purchasing his medical practice would not be a wise investment for any legitimate doctor. Hany's former patients would be clamoring for a discount/free 'renewal,' but in order to do things legitimately, the new doctor would need to do all of the work that was never done—real medical exam, collecting/consulting with the original treating physician for documentation, etc.  - all that either at a cut-rate discount or free.

  • As far as the State MPP cards go, I hope dispensaries take this as a clue that the State Cards are NOT a valid indicator of whether or not a patient is currently legal for Medical Marijuana (they simply imply that the holder had a Doctor's Recommendation for MMJ when they went to apply for the State Card, as the state cards are issued for one year from the date of application, regardless of what the Dr.'s Recommendation says). 

    So while a patient of Hany Assad might have a State MPP Card with dates that might appear to be current, because their recommendation for medical marijuana is no longer valid, they are no longer legal for medical marijuana. The State Card (or any card) is not what makes you legal—the Doctor's Recommendation of MMJ is.

I know that a lot of people that "get legal" via the script mill operations, the shady doctors, the places that don't comply with the Med Board Guidelines -and then go and get the State ID Card so that they can show that instead of their Recommendation from their Doctor - in a way, 'whitewashing' or making their recommendation 'official.'  They know that a Assad rec was already of questionable veracity in the eyes of the legitimate world, just like the kids know that their Medicann rec will get laughed at by law enforcement...

it's no secret to anyone - law enforcement, the good dispensaries & clubs, the legal system (judges, DA's, etc), the general public, and the real doctors - what kind of quality (or lack thereof) the crap docs crank out - I've lost count of how many docs Medicann has gone through (though it's hard to forget Dr. Richardson, the one with the foot fetish who probably did the first hands-on exam in Medicann history!), and yet Talleyrand keeps his license and all his millions. Then there's Alfonso Jimenez, who lost his license, and didn't even get probation! the do-it-yourself defense crowd gets probation! Jimenez even had Bruce Margolin and the not-so-expert David Bearman working on his case!, Gillespie of Green Relief, Sterner of San Diego, and we could go on and on.

Would it really be terribly hard for these so-called 'doctors' to actually just COMPLY with the extremely basic Med Board Guidelines?


I've spoken with several doctors, and Dr Assad's recommendations are valid until the orginal expiration date.  When he wrote them, he WAS in good standing with the medical board, therefore they are valid if they expire in Jan, Feb, March, etc.  If a doctor prescribes vicodin, and his license expires or is revoked a week after he issues the script, it is still able to be filled after that date.  If a doctor who writes rec's dies in a car crash, god forbid, his rec's are still good until the expiration date on them.

Re: Medical Board Revokes Dr. Hany Assad's License effective Nov 23, 2009

this is the same information we received from the CA Med Board.
His status at the time of issue is what makes the recommendation valid until the expiration date.

I am only one, but still I am one! I cannot do everything, but I can do something.

Re: Medical Board Revokes Dr. Hany Assad's License effective Nov 23, 2009

Why ask Doctors? They won't be the one's with the gavel!

Not according to the CMA OnCall Document 1315. It states the standard of care is that the Doctor must maintain contact or a means of contact for questions and more care if needed.

Depends on if you like to gamble. How does a Doctor with no practice or license "follow your care" and be available for treatment and consultation?

Here it is from the Medboard:
http://www.medbd.ca.gov/medical_marijuana.html

Link is 1/2 way down.
http://www.cmanet.org/bookstore/freeonc … N=27566287

Cannabis. It's not my lifestyle..... it's my lifesaver

"This is about the quality of life. We all have better things to do than this legal jousting," he said. "It makes no sense to play political football with people's lives." - Ed Reyes, LA City Councilman

Re: Medical Board Revokes Dr. Hany Assad's License effective Nov 23, 2009

A MMJ rec. is not a prescription and the same rules do not apply.

Cannabis. It's not my lifestyle..... it's my lifesaver

"This is about the quality of life. We all have better things to do than this legal jousting," he said. "It makes no sense to play political football with people's lives." - Ed Reyes, LA City Councilman

Re: Medical Board Revokes Dr. Hany Assad's License effective Nov 23, 2009

I realize that the same rules do not apply as a prescription, it was an example.  Let's not use the presciption analogy.  What if the recommending physician dies?  According to the document, "Warns that recommendations must be limited to the time necessary to monitor the patient.
Periodic reviews must occur at least annually or more frequently as warranted."

We can pick apart that document until the cows come home, no where does it specifically state the recommendations are not valid if the physician's license is revoked.  Unfortunately it seems the issue is open to interpretation.

Re: Medical Board Revokes Dr. Hany Assad's License effective Nov 23, 2009

Patient Kimberly had a co-recommend with Dr. Mikuriya.  Wen he passed there was no question - even by the pricks up in Siskiyou - that his rec was valid until the expiration date.

Re: Medical Board Revokes Dr. Hany Assad's License effective Nov 23, 2009

I've contacted the medical board concerning this issue.  They are researching it and will call me back later today.  When I find out I'll post it as this is important information for patients as well as collective/co-op operators.

Re: Medical Board Revokes Dr. Hany Assad's License effective Nov 23, 2009

The CA Medical Board statement to me last week is the same as info received today from the county Public Health Branch MMP agent who spoke directly with her state medical board/MMP contacts.
"Valid to expiration date." Recs and MMP cards. MUST have been issued before Oct 23rd CMB decision.

Assad is (according to NorCal offices) selling his business, patient lists, etc. so theoretically another physician in good standing will soon be following up his patients.

Last edited by LindaAnne (2009-11-02 09:38:29)

I am only one, but still I am one! I cannot do everything, but I can do something.

Re: Medical Board Revokes Dr. Hany Assad's License effective Nov 23, 2009

Thank you LindaAnne.  I just want his patients to have the correct information.

Re: Medical Board Revokes Dr. Hany Assad's License effective Nov 23, 2009

me too, jeanne71366! And I still want it in writing!!

I have been warning patients to expect this for over a year, and have been asking Drs, the PH Branch and the CA Med Board the hypothetical question - but no official wanted to respond until it was a "REAL" issue.

I am only one, but still I am one! I cannot do everything, but I can do something.

Re: Medical Board Revokes Dr. Hany Assad's License effective Nov 23, 2009

Thank you LindaAnne for going the extra mile. I stand corrected.

Cannabis. It's not my lifestyle..... it's my lifesaver

"This is about the quality of life. We all have better things to do than this legal jousting," he said. "It makes no sense to play political football with people's lives." - Ed Reyes, LA City Councilman

Re: Medical Board Revokes Dr. Hany Assad's License effective Nov 23, 2009

so im trying to research this so i can combat the invalidness of my licence.... i just got it 2 months ago.....

has anyone found the code section number that says my licence is still good because it was issued when  dr. assad was still in good standing?????

Re: Medical Board Revokes Dr. Hany Assad's License effective Nov 23, 2009

getting this information in writing has been strangely impossible = but I am not giving up.

Patients should contact NORCAL Healthcare for up-to-date information.
And please, ask for whatever they offer as information in writing!!

Last edited by LindaAnne (2009-11-09 18:24:49)

I am only one, but still I am one! I cannot do everything, but I can do something.

Re: Medical Board Revokes Dr. Hany Assad's License effective Nov 23, 2009

how bout this.

you get arrested and need your dr. to come and testify. Do you want a dr. with a license or without a license and in bad standing with the state. ME? i want a dr. with a license who could also hypothetically prescribe me vicodin, marijuana, or anything else a respected physician can do in the past, current and future, but definitely not anymore.


I'd also like to throw out holla to my spell check. Without it, none of this would hev been possible ot read : )-"""""

Re: Medical Board Revokes Dr. Hany Assad's License effective Nov 23, 2009

EVERYONE wants a physician in good standing or better yet, their primary care physician to write their 215 recommendation. Unfortunately, the reality is that quite often even patients with cancer must go to 'cannabis specialists.'

My PCP knows all about my MMJ use, we talk openly. I have provided him with information for his patients who are sent to Cannabis specialists. 
The office/group he works for will NOT allow him to write any 215 recommendations.
And I doubt he would be allowed go to court for me.

I am only one, but still I am one! I cannot do everything, but I can do something.